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[mastermank]

(09-16-2009 11:16 AM)HalewoodBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:13 AM)mastermank Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:10 AM)Tight-Fitting Underpants Wrote:  Well as they say there are lies, damn lies and statistics, when it comes to the likes of PTD you shouldn't really quote statistics as he's evidently, patently useless. If you think his passing is 'adequate' and think that's acceptable then you have lower standards than I, but I think not only is his passing inadequate, but his positioning, tackling etc. are sh*t.

if you think his postioning and tackling are sh*t then its probably not worth continuing because you don't no crap about defensive midfielders. If you don't want to deal in facts well that kind of points towards you not making any rationally points anyway so its hardly worth arguing about.

I could say the same in reverse to you mate, he is 1 of the worst players ever to pull the royal blue on

you can't say the same in reverse because i'm using figures and facts to prove a point. He's also clearly not one of the worst players to pull on a shirt i can name plenty worse.

[HalewoodBlue]

(09-16-2009 11:17 AM)mastermank Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:16 AM)HalewoodBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:13 AM)mastermank Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:10 AM)Tight-Fitting Underpants Wrote:  Well as they say there are lies, damn lies and statistics, when it comes to the likes of PTD you shouldn't really quote statistics as he's evidently, patently useless. If you think his passing is 'adequate' and think that's acceptable then you have lower standards than I, but I think not only is his passing inadequate, but his positioning, tackling etc. are sh*t.

if you think his postioning and tackling are sh*t then its probably not worth continuing because you don't no crap about defensive midfielders. If you don't want to deal in facts well that kind of points towards you not making any rationally points anyway so its hardly worth arguing about.

I could say the same in reverse to you mate, he is 1 of the worst players ever to pull the royal blue on

you can't say the same in reverse because i'm using figures and facts to prove a point. He's also clearly not one of the worst players to pull on a shirt i can name plenty worse.

Unsworth had 1 of the best passing ratios a few seasons ago, this involved him launching the ball and Duncan getting a touch on the ball therefore giving him a pass completion. Stats are rubbish, everyone can see with there own eyes how limited Neville is, its embarrassing he is our capt

[Tight-Fitting Underpants]

(09-16-2009 11:13 AM)mastermank Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:10 AM)Tight-Fitting Underpants Wrote:  Well as they say there are lies, damn lies and statistics, when it comes to the likes of PTD you shouldn't really quote statistics as he's evidently, patently useless. If you think his passing is 'adequate' and think that's acceptable then you have lower standards than I, but I think not only is his passing inadequate, but his positioning, tackling etc. are sh*t.

if you think his postioning and tackling are sh*t then its probably not worth continuing because you don't no crap about defensive midfielders. If you don't want to deal in facts well that kind of points towards you not making any rationally points anyway so its hardly worth arguing about.

Excuse me but I believe my argument is more than rational - you're the one getting defensive. Phil Neville is a bad player, what's irrational about that statment? I know plenty about defensive midfielders, I liked Roy Keane, Claude Makelele, I like Lassana Diarra, Javier Mascherano (even though he's RS), Joe Parkinson etc. players like that whose laces PTD isn't fit to tie.

[mastermank]

I'm not saying he's world class but few if any of our payers are. By that logic should you compare arteta to zidane and when he doesn't match up call him crap? Neville a competent player who does his best and can justify his inclusion in the squad, and last year certainly the team. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets which is defintely irrational

[HalewoodBlue]

(09-16-2009 12:01 PM)mastermank Wrote:  I'm not saying he's world class but few if any of our payers are. By that logic should you compare arteta to zidane and when he doesn't match up call him crap? Neville a competent player who does his best and can justify his inclusion in the squad, and last year certainly the team. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets which is defintely irrational

Am struggling to think of a worse capt than him. Must be the worst of all time

[mastermank]

(09-16-2009 12:15 PM)HalewoodBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 12:01 PM)mastermank Wrote:  I'm not saying he's world class but few if any of our payers are. By that logic should you compare arteta to zidane and when he doesn't match up call him crap? Neville a competent player who does his best and can justify his inclusion in the squad, and last year certainly the team. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets which is defintely irrational

Am struggling to think of a worse capt than him. Must be the worst of all time

have you ever heard any complaints about him from players or moyes about his behaviour as captain? what do you know about his captaincy because every player and moyes always talk higly of him on a professional and personal level.

[HalewoodBlue]

(09-16-2009 12:32 PM)mastermank Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 12:15 PM)HalewoodBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 12:01 PM)mastermank Wrote:  I'm not saying he's world class but few if any of our payers are. By that logic should you compare arteta to zidane and when he doesn't match up call him crap? Neville a competent player who does his best and can justify his inclusion in the squad, and last year certainly the team. He doesn't deserve the abuse he gets which is defintely irrational

Am struggling to think of a worse capt than him. Must be the worst of all time

have you ever heard any complaints about him from players or moyes about his behaviour as captain? what do you know about his captaincy because every player and moyes always talk higly of him on a professional and personal level.

As a player mate, couldnt really give 2 sh*ts if he buys the players a drink or is a good mate to them. As a player he is the worst capt of all time

[The Class of a Jag]

Neville is a good captain as he gets the best out of the more talented players in the team, and his attitude and habits he picked up under Ferguson at Man U also rub off on other players sometimes as well I think.

The problem for me that as a player hes not good enough so shouldnt be in the team for that reason, I would have Cahill as Captain personally.

[HalewoodBlue]

(09-16-2009 01:26 PM)The Class of a Jag Wrote:  Neville is a good captain as he gets the best out of the more talented players in the team, and his attitude and habits he picked up under Ferguson at Man U also rub off on other players sometimes as well I think.

The problem for me that as a player hes not good enough so shouldnt be in the team for that reason, I would have Cahill as Captain personally.

Surely that is Round and Moyes? Explain how Neville does this?

[The Class of a Jag]

(09-16-2009 01:30 PM)HalewoodBlue Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 01:26 PM)The Class of a Jag Wrote:  Neville is a good captain as he gets the best out of the more talented players in the team, and his attitude and habits he picked up under Ferguson at Man U also rub off on other players sometimes as well I think.

The problem for me that as a player hes not good enough so shouldnt be in the team for that reason, I would have Cahill as Captain personally.

Surely that is Round and Moyes? Explain how Neville does this?

The Captain reflects the manager normally, so Neville would be Moyes' voice on the pitch i.e reminding each player of their jobs during the game or having a go if any of em slack etc etc you know normal captain duties