Pienaar

[mastermank]

He makes our whole team play better - he links up the play. It's a no brainer. I'd be suprised if he got a bigger contract than what he was offered before.

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(07-08-2012 11:31 AM)The Class of a Jag Wrote:  MBIB Pienaar helped to improve us last season, and hes played well for us in both periods that he played for us, if the deal is right he is worth having.

The comparison between him and Nyarko is way off the mark, Nyarko didnt produce on the pitch.

The comparison wasn't about the types of players they are - it was about the stupidity attached to any future pienaar deal, bein' likened to nyarko's.

One of the reasons pienaar gave when he was stallin' was that the club wern't showin' any ambition. Now I don't know about you, but what's so ambitious about signin' a player that can't even get into spurs' side? They're lookin' at sellin VdV & bale, and yet pienaar's still seen as surplus to them. That's the reason he wants back here.

Pienaar comes back here, and that means that, A) Our right hand side gets neglected for another year at least. B) The vast majority of our attacks go down our left, making it easy for opposition teams to suss us out. C) Someone worth a few quid's goin' - which desn't strengthen the team at all. And D) Pienaar gets what he wanted - somethin' the club said they wern't prepared to do first time about.

Not only that, but we end up losing out financially. It makes zero sense, and will be nothing more than to appease the majority of whoppers who overlook these things. You were all up in arms about heitinga's "bike with a flag" comments, but he hasn't gone. Pienaar's worse because he played to the gallery, and you lot've swallowed it. The rat's a connivin' little shite and I refuse to be convinced otherwise.

Also, donovan's been the main catalyst for our upturn(s) in form. It didn't happen to the same extent when Donovan didn't come back, season before last. Pienaar can get to f*** for all I care. We owe him nothin'. He deserves nothin'.

[The Class of a Jag]

Regardless of what type of person you think he is, unlike some players he does it on the pitch, the right hand side of our team has been a joke for longer than pienaar first arrived at the club, Moyes has had all his 10 years to do something about it but hasent.

Donavan was only here for what 6 weeks? he wasent brilliant this time around, pienaar linked with Jelavic and baines well and helped fill the creative void that Artetas departure in the summer created.

If we have the likes of pienaar in the squad and Jelavic fit for the start of the season I also think it may help us get off to a better start than in recent seasons.

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2011-12 Pienaar set up eight goals.
2010-11 Pienaar set up one goal.
2009-10 Pienaar set up seven goals.
2008-09 Pienaar set up ten goals.
2007-08 Pienaar set up 14 goals.

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(07-08-2012 12:36 PM)The Class of a Jag Wrote:  Regardless of what type of person you think he is, unlike some players he does it on the pitch, the right hand side of our team has been a joke for longer than pienaar first arrived at the club, Moyes has had all his 10 years to do something about it but hasent.

Donavan was only here for what 6 weeks? he wasent brilliant this time around, pienaar linked with Jelavic and baines well and helped fill the creative void that Artetas departure in the summer created.

And what happens if we sell baines to cover the cost of pienaar? Has the team been strengthened in any way? Far from it - it's been drastically weakened.

Time after time I've been sayin' that the "Bainaar" partnership has been more of Baines' doin' than pienaar's. I was proved right when pienaar went, Baines' goal AND assist tally goin' up when pienaar f*cked off. The only downside was that Baines was gettin' visibly pissed off at havin' to carry most of our attackin' threat.

As for Donovan, imo he was 95% the player who was here 1st time about. The reason the form kept up wasn't down to pienaar, it was down to Jelavic knockin' them in. That gave the team spirit, and a colossal upturn in form, more than pienaar's "return".

There are other players out there that can do pienaar's job for a lot less money, the only nigglin' question'd be if they could link with Baines as effectively. But that's not too much of a problem, if the said player takes some of the the attackin' burden from Baines.

[The Class of a Jag]

(07-09-2012 12:38 PM)Mein blut ist blau Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 12:36 PM)The Class of a Jag Wrote:  Regardless of what type of person you think he is, unlike some players he does it on the pitch, the right hand side of our team has been a joke for longer than pienaar first arrived at the club, Moyes has had all his 10 years to do something about it but hasent.

Donavan was only here for what 6 weeks? he wasent brilliant this time around, pienaar linked with Jelavic and baines well and helped fill the creative void that Artetas departure in the summer created.

And what happens if we sell baines to cover the cost of pienaar? Has the team been strengthened in any way? Far from it - it's been drastically weakened.

Time after time I've been sayin' that the "Bainaar" partnership has been more of Baines' doin' than pienaar's. I was proved right when pienaar went, Baines' goal AND assist tally goin' up when pienaar f*cked off. The only downside was that Baines was gettin' visibly pissed off at havin' to carry most of our attackin' threat.

As for Donovan, imo he was 95% the player who was here 1st time about. The reason the form kept up wasn't down to pienaar, it was down to Jelavic knockin' them in. That gave the team spirit, and a colossal upturn in form, more than pienaar's "return".

There are other players out there that can do pienaar's job for a lot less money, the only nigglin' question'd be if they could link with Baines as effectively. But that's not too much of a problem, if the said player takes some of the the attackin' burden from Baines.

Supplied by? We have very little creativity in our midfield other than Pienaar, especially since Arteta. So more than likely Pienaar along with Baines contributed towards Jelavic's goal tally.

Which players? Even if there are players who can, Pienaar has the advantage of knowing the players and the way Moyes works.

I would be churlish to cut our noses off to spite our face imo

The deal would still have to be right mind. I think Spurs will drop the price if it becomes a) that pienaar wants to move back to us and b) that he is not in AVB's plans.

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So there's nobody else can supply goals is there? Just pienaar (and Baines)? Didn't Fellaini, or Cahill, or even Hibbert, set up Jelavic?

And knowing the players makes pienaar the exception to the rule? Nobody else can come in and do as good as, - if not better - a job than pienaar? Will moyes' training only apply to pienaar, and nobody else?

"Go with what you know" has seen neVILE a perpetual fixture ffs. "Go with what you know" saw the return of pissed-one, gravesen, stubbs; none of whom warranted any sort of return. Because pienaar didn't "spit the dummy" a-la kanchelskis, people refused to look at the bigger picture that he was keepin' himself in the shop window, thoroughly aware of what it'd do for HIM - NOT for our team.

"Cutting noses off to spite faces" - ? No. If your ex-tart f*cked off because you couldn't really afford buy her a diamond ring, and she wasn't really worth one anyway; you'd go out & get yerself another bird. In the meantime you'd settle for a w*nk until that date came about.


The team doesn't revolve around pienaar. We did just as well without him as we did with. Baines did better without, as his stats will show. Anyone who f*cks the club over shouldn't be welcomed back with open arms. Those who say they'd have rooney back are gobshites imo. Why would I think different of those who want pienaar back at an inflated rate?

It's all very well when people castigate Heitinga - but he's still here. He hasn't turned down a new contract, or forced a move which has cost us money; but everyone was on his case when he made his "bike/flag" comment. Fickle, fickle people; the people who think it's ok to have pienaar back after what he did. We're bigger & FAR better than he'll ever be.

And don't kid yerself any deal will be down to it bein right for either us or avb - it'll have to be right for the greedy little tw*t. Why the f*** do you think he f*cked off in the first place?

I've made it clear I've no time for the c*nt. I hope he rots into obscurity in spurs reserves.

Rant over.

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(07-09-2012 02:32 PM)Mein blut ist blau Wrote:  So there's nobody else can supply goals is there? Just pienaar (and Baines)? Didn't Fellaini, or Cahill, or even Hibbert, set up Jelavic?

And knowing the players makes pienaar the exception to the rule? Nobody else can come in and do as good as, - if not better - a job than pienaar? Will moyes' training only apply to pienaar, and nobody else?

"Go with what you know" has seen neVILE a perpetual fixture ffs. "Go with what you know" saw the return of pissed-one, gravesen, stubbs; none of whom warranted any sort of return. Because pienaar didn't "spit the dummy" a-la kanchelskis, people refused to look at the bigger picture that he was keepin' himself in the shop window, thoroughly aware of what it'd do for HIM - NOT for our team.

"Cutting noses off to spite faces" - ? No. If your ex-tart f*cked off because you couldn't really afford buy her a diamond ring, and she wasn't really worth one anyway; you'd go out & get yerself another bird. In the meantime you'd settle for a w*nk until that date came about.


The team doesn't revolve around pienaar. We did just as well without him as we did with. Baines did better without, as his stats will show. Anyone who f*cks the club over shouldn't be welcomed back with open arms. Those who say they'd have rooney back are gobshites imo. Why would I think different of those who want pienaar back at an inflated rate?

It's all very well when people castigate Heitinga - but he's still here. He hasn't turned down a new contract, or forced a move which has cost us money; but everyone was on his case when he made his "bike/flag" comment. Fickle, fickle people; the people who think it's ok to have pienaar back after what he did. We're bigger & FAR better than he'll ever be.

And don't kid yerself any deal will be down to it bein right for either us or avb - it'll have to be right for the greedy little tw*t. Why the f*** do you think he f*cked off in the first place?

I've made it clear I've no time for the c*nt. I hope he rots into obscurity in spurs reserves.

Rant over.

I take it you dont like pienaar MBIB so are we going to drop neville now for pienaar if he signs

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neVILE should've been got rid of before moyes signed the fecker

What's the point of pienaar, if one (or more) of baines/fellaini/rodwell/heitinga/jagielka are sold to pay for him?

FAFS lads, you carry on as though we lost every b****** match while pienaar was languishin' in spurs' reserves - It didn't happen, so fuckin' get a grip, will yers? You all gushed over gibson makin' the difference to Fellaini's game - that wasn't down to pienaar.

You're all carryin' on as though pienaar blocked every shot the opposition had, and set up every last goal that he himself didn't score. He's no more special than anyone else we could get. All this sycophancy to the avaricious little tw*t is pathetic.

He didn't get a look-in until arteta got injured, and on the few occasions before that happened (when he did play) he cost us points against untied & l'arse. He's f***-all. Baines made him what he is to most of you lot.

There've been several games where we've played well without him. At least as many as we played last season without him, were as good as performances as they were with him.

Why the f*** can you lot not see that the difference was Jelavic? Jelavic, then Donovan, then gibson - THEN pienaar.

FFS

[mastermank]

Actually in terms of assists baines has had his best seasons with Pineaar at the club though he scored more goals last season